This is the final part of the talk I gave at this year’s Edinburgh International Book Festival. You can read part I here, and part II here.
The Writing Business
44) So, once you’re sure your writing is as good as it can be, you have to work out where to submit it. How can you distinguish between the good and the bad agents and publishers?
45) Writers need agents who will consistently get them the best deal for their books.
a) So if they have no track-record, how can you be sure they’ll be able to do that?
b) Experience. A good agent has sold books / writers you’ve heard of.
c) The same goes for publishers: they’ve published books you’ve heard of, which are on the shelves in bookshops across the country.
d) Neither agenting nor publishing are entry-level occupations.
e) Let other writers take risk their work on start-up businesses if they must: protect your own interests and make those businesses prove themselves before you submit.
46) The exception to this is if someone has extensive publishing and sets up on their own. But still: be very careful.
47) If you can’t find an agent, or want to work without one, how can you find yourself a good publisher?
a) Submit to Penguin, which is accepting unagented submissions until October of this year.
b) Write non-fiction, which is usually much easier to place than fiction (and you can sell it without having written the whole thing, which is nice) .
c) If their books aren’t on the shelves in bookshops all over the country, how many of your books do you expect them to sell?
d) Smaller presses often accept unagented writers.
e) This does not mean that they have lower standards than the big houses—often the opposite is true, as they’re more exposed to risk.
48) Smaller publishers often work more closely with their writers: it’s a more intimate experience.
49) If it goes wrong, it can therefore be more hurtful: but when it goes well it’s fabulous.
50) QUESTION: How can you tell if a publisher is legitimate?
a) You work out who they’re selling to.
b) If publishers’ websites focus on selling their services to writers, rather than on selling books to readers, chances are they’re a vanity press.
51) Do not trust what they tell you about themselves! Vanity publishers rarely admit to their true nature.
52) Do not assume The Internet is right! Misinformation abounds, and mainstream publishing is barely aware that most of it exists.
53) Few mainstream publishing people blog etc, whereas lots of self-publishers and vanity publishers do, so there’s a huge imbalance in the amount of information available, and in the validity of the opinions expressed.
54) Why is vanity publishing so bad?
a) Because your book won’t get proper distribution and so is very unlikely to find its readers.
b) It’s usually far more expensive than self-publishing.
c) You’re highly unlikely to get a professional-looking book, or decent editing, design or typesetting.
d) I have never seen a properly-produced book from a vanity press.
55) QUESTION: what’s the difference between vanity publishing and self-publishing?
a) ISBN ownership and control.
56) Vanity publishing and self-publishing are beginning to overlap now, so the real question is now, “Is this route to publication in the writer’s best interests?” The answer is very often NO.
57) QUESTION: when is self-publishing a good choice for a writer?
a) When the writer has a platform which they can use to sell their books.
b) When the writer is excellent at self-promotion and has the time and money to spend on it.
c) Brunonia Barry’s The Lace Reader is an excellent example of self-publishing success: but she spent over $100,000 publishing and promoting her book before signing with a mainstream publisher and is an exception. Few self-publishers achieve her sort of success.
58) There doesn’t have to be an either/or decision about mainstream and self-publishing, though: some established writers now self-publish their backlist as those rights revert, and have had success (although often those successes are exaggerated—be wary!) .
59) Writing isn’t an instant career: it usually takes five or more solid book sales PLUS subsidiary sales before you have a hope of quitting your day-job.
60) For most writers, writing books is not enough. Articles, teaching, editing are all possible—teaching and editing only once you have some success.
61) Maximise your income by diversifying, then make the most of that income by not spending your money foolishly—for example, by self-publishing books you have no hope of selling.
62) However you decide to publish, be professional—especially online.
a) The internet is public, uncontrollable, and lasts a long time.
b) If you routinely write blog articles about how cynical or corrupt mainstream publishing is, or are overtly angry, or ill-informed, you’re going to put people off your work rather than make them want to read more of it: and that goes for agents and editors as well as every-day readers.
63) And don’t forget that being a writer isn’t always about making the most money, or getting that next contract: it’s also about writing the best that you can, of capturing on paper the things you most believe in or love. Sometimes you need to just focus on that, and forget about earning a living—until you’re ready to revise.
My warmest thanks to the wonderful Nicola Morgan, who recommended me to the Edinburgh International Book Festival, but mostly to the seventy people who paid good money to listen to me tell them off. I enjoyed every second of it, and hope that I wasn’t too dull or too cross.
You’ve given some terrific advice and information in this three-part talk, Jane, that’s good to have in mind, while I’m busy concentrating on #63.
Thanks once again for sharing your knowledge and experience.
Wise and wonderful, as usual.
I was told before I started writing novels that it takes seven books to establish you in the mind of readers. Number seven coming up in October. Have I made it yet? The funny thing is, it’s only this year that people have started asking me to do festivals and events, guest blog (!) and write articles. So I suppose it’s true.
Three great pieces, Jane. Should be obligatory reading for all pre-published writers.
Lesley Cookman wrote:
I agree completely – and thank you whoever it was on ROMNA who gave the link to to these posts – fantastic!
And your information is useful for published writers, too. ‘In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes.’
Thanks, all, for your kind comments. And Juliet–it was, I think, Sarah Callejo who linked to this in ROMNA. I keep meaning to join that loop: I’ve heard so much good stuff about it.
You were neither dull nor cross. It was a great event! Your calm and professional delivery gave even more weight to your words and the audience were taking it all in.
This all sounds great! I wish I’d been there.
Lesley – I don’t think one can put a precise number on it. With some authors it is two, with others fourteen (if they are ever allowed to get that far). I’ve had ten books published, and have three more under contract and scheduled, with seven different publishers. I don’t think I’m quite at “household name” status yet. But I have diversified to survive – with a mixture of novels for adults, novels for children and non-fiction. I do lots of schools and festivals too.
Dan you’re very good at those school events, according to my youngest son who has watched you perform. And you’re typical of a good jobbing writer: you consistently write good books, but you do other things too. It’s what most writers have to do to earn their livings.
Linda, thank you! I didn’t feel calm and professional, just squeaky. No one answered my questions… pah. But it was FUN.
I enjoyed reading the bad news (you’ve been talking about me, right?) Seven novels to date, but no agent. Why do they still turn me down? Because of that dreaded Nielsen Book scan. My publisher (Hale) only publishes for the libraries, and will not entertain the paperback market. Says it’s too expensive, leave it to the established paperback imprints. So now I have left my publisher and am going into e-books, and POD with Amazon. For writers like me it’s a chicken and egg argument now; agents won’t take me on because I have low sales. My publisher wouldn’t promote me. But I won’t give up; I’ll always be looking up.
Michael, Nielsen Bookscan is a useful tool but it can be a curse for writers sometimes. Seven novels published is seven more than me: but publishing with Hale is a bit of a mixed blessing.
It’s not quite right to say that Hale wouldn’t promote you: it DOES promote its books to the market it serves, which is libraries. It just doesn’t even attempt to sell its books more widely.
Hale has always specialised in publishing for the library market and has never (that I know of) ventured into paperbacks. It usually limits its print run to just 300 copies per title, and then won’t reprint until it has 100 confirmed orders for a title.
Which means that when you’re published ONLY by them your sales figures are almost guaranteed to look abysmal, I’m afraid.
You’re right, it is a bit of a Catch 22 where some publishers are concerned. But there is an option open to you: write a really good book, and find an agent–because in my experience, agents are always open to be persuaded by excellent writing despite previous sales figures–and get them to submit your book under a pseudonym. I’ve seen it work for other writers, it might just work for you.
Thanks for the comments, Jane. I did suggest to one agent that I could use another name, but he was against that idea. Strange thingm though; having turned me down, I told him later that I had parted with my publisher (on amicable terms). He replied that he would be happy to look at my latest MS. Haven’t heard from him yet, but I’ve been down this road many times so I won’t hold my breath.
I’m glad I dropped into your blog, Jane, to find this article and I wish I’d been there in Edinburgh; I would have answered your questions. Thanks for linking to Sally Zigmund who’s new to me. It’s two years since I’ve submitted my novel to an agent: no point until it’s a seller, is there? I’m waiting for feedback from Cornerstones so that I can do anything still needed, but I feel I’m almost there. If I put my hand out in front of me I’ll touch Veronique Baxter.
Dwight, thank you! I shall make sure to tell you to take part in any future gigs I get.
What did you mean by this bit of your comment?
Dwight wrote:
Are you suggesting that you need to sell your novel BEFORE you get an agent? This seems entirely the wrong way round to me, so I hope I’ve misunderstood you.
@ Jane Smith:
Not at all, Jane. I wouldn’t dream of trying any form of self-publishing. I’ve spent the past two years submitting my work to Cornerstones and TLC, and implementing their advice. I’m hoping this will be the last submission necessary to make it saleable in the eyes of an agent (namely VB).
Dwight, I’m pleased to hear it. But please don’t place all your hopes onto one agent: if she rejects you, you’ll be lost; and she might not actually be the best fit for you or your book. Just be warned.
Can anyone tell me if publishers usually tell their writers what to write about?
Linda, as ever–it depends.
If a publisher wants to publish a specific sort of book then they might well ask various writers they know if they’d write it for them; if they are building a writer’s career they’ll probably advise them on the direction their work should take. But there are many answers to this question, depending on what sort of publisher and writer we’re talking about.
If you have a more specific question I’ll have a go at giving you a fuller answer.